Chocolate English / Take Three

[G I Joe]

SCOTT, the owner of "Take Three", is just as dishonest as any other Eikaiwa. He talks a lot of shit about Smith's English School owner being dishonest. The truth is that he is dishonest!

He attacked my school--Chocolate English-- because our schools are competing in the same market for the same students. When I discovered his attack on numerous blogs(including aacircle.com.au) and confronted him, he denied it at first but then after a legal threat he apoligised. He did not mention anything about being the owner of a competing school(which I discovered just recently).

That's how SCOTTY does it; attacking his competition on the internet and linking it to Mark Smith. Mark Smith of Smith's English School is a competitor of Scott's (if that is his real name) Take Three English and that is why he attacks Smith's and attacks others without their knowledge!

[Laalala]

Thats well said Mr Chocolate English. Its about time the truth about Scotts link to Smiths came out. It is obvious that he is attacking for no reason except to get some thing off his chest.

This is your site isnt it? ChocolateEnglish 英会話:.灘区・中央区・神戸・三宮/英会話・フランス語

Maybe its because his company cant make any success in Japan, and hes attacking you and his company. He couldnt make a success at Smiths, and now he's struggling again in the same way and attacking good people like you.

Where is the thread where you were attacked? What did he do?

Lets clean up with the help of Mr Chocolate Eikaiwa the truth about Smiths and Scotty. It seems he knows more than everyone about it and mark smith.

[G I Joe]

Scott (or is it David Scott?) of Take Three English started spreading his lies about my school about 6 months ago. I called and emailed him about it. At first he denied it but after a legal threat he apoligised via email. I notified this forum's webmaster about his attack upon my business and she removed his lies.
When I called and emailed Scott (David Scott?) he failed to mention that he was the owner of a competing business, which I discovered just 2 weeks ago.
He damaged my business by spreading lies that it was a scam etc. Check out the email he sent me(look at the name--Dave Scott):
Dave Scott <spargz7@yahoo.com>
送信日時 : 2006年9月10日 13:02:28
宛先 : chocolateenglish@hotmail.com
件名 : Re: ChocolateEnglish

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"""Mr.

I have not been involved in a smear campaign against your school. I have nothing at all against your school.

I paid money to, and worked for Mark Smith and know that you and your business have nothing at all to do with him in any way, shape or form.

I checked the thread, and edited the posting that did have info (accidentally) about one of your ads which was click/copy/pasted into a posting by myself talking about Smiths School of English.

I apologise that in my anger I didn't control the info that I put into that posting. It has been edited, and it shall not happen again.

Please accept my humblest apologies to you and your business from myself. My anger against Smith caused this, so you are right in that I shall have to learn to control it better. I've been trying to do so now for a long time,

Yours Sincerly,

Scott"""

He states that it was an accident but when I discovered that he owns Take Three English: �E-TakeThree
I realised it was an attack not only against my franchise project(muddying my reputation with teachers in a very tight market) but also against my business in general.
He is a business owner not a disgruntled employee. There is an ethical conflict and danger in one business owner attacking another business owner. He is a business owner not a gang member! There is a serious problem with any business owner that uses aliases to disgiuse his real identity. What is his real name?; Is it Scott Spargo or David Scott?

Anyway after my last posting to expose him for what he is, he sent me another email spouting off, as he so often does on this forum, his lunatic rants about "liable" and "my private number" "balls". Here's the email:

"Dave Scott <spargz7@yahoo.com>
送信日時 : 2007年2月27日 17:48:40
宛先 : chocolateenglish@hotmail.com
件名 : dude

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Dear owner of Chocolate english.

Reference the recent incorrect and liable information posted in aacircle thread, if you are responsible please remove it immediately, or edit it to make it truthful.

If it was not you who posted, please disregard and have a nice day.

p.s. when you called my private mobile phone number (private information by the way) and threatened me with a law suit it was because I had accidentally posted info about smiths which your ad only by chance had entered. After you told me about it, it was removed.

That was the end as far as I can see, so if this is you posting now, have the balls to give me a call and I'll talk to you about it. It seems you already know my number."

There is a saying in the English Speaking world: "Sorry doesn't count" and that saying applies here as he damaged my business intentionally and with great dishonor to himself and all other 'ethical' business owners.

IN addition, I bet Scott (or Dave Scott) was given an opportunity to succeed at Smith's and most likely recieved more attention and encouragement than most of us do. What did he do with it? He wasted it and then he blamed Smith for his own failure. People have to work for their money and learn to respect others. Scott Smith, Dave scott or what ever his name is has a lot to learn about respect!!!

[bearcat]

For a discussion that is supposed to revolve around the alleged situation with GI Joe and Scott Spargo, I find it interesting that summations of posts thus far seem to want to speak more of Smith related issues instead.

I'll weigh in concerning all of this in a bit but I'd like to seek some clarity on a few things first.

1. How long has your school been in existence? When did you start your website for your school?

2. GI Joe, you claim that Spargo has said things about you on here. What exactly was said. I'd like a specific example or examples so that myself and others can see what was said. Thus far, all you have said is that he spread lies about your school. What then are those lies?

3. You have also said in your first post that these alleged attacks have occurred on numerous blogs about your school. What are the addresses to these blogs (links) so that I or anyone else can confirm what has been said.

4. What is your past or current affiliation with Smith's School of English? You seem to know some what of Smith's and therefore even if you do or do not have any affiliation, do you support Smith's activities in any way and if so I would like you to be explicit for those of us reading this forum.


With answers to these questions, I think it will be able to help fill in some gaps to things. Again, I'll weigh in with my comments once I've got more information to go on. I don't see much in substance otherwise at the moment.

[G I Joe]

**** you! How is that for substance? Sure I support Smith--in spirit--as a businessman. Dickheads like you are always spouting off about how you got ripped off and how someone else is guilty for your failure. You seem to attack fellow ex-pats with great ease but stay far away from the large Japanese owned Eikaiwas. DO you know why that is? It is because the Japanese owned eikaiwas treat you like shit from day one, and you learn to accept it. But, Smith's gives you a chance and you accept that. So, when you fail at EBB or Bova you say: "well they treated me like shit and didn't give me a chance and that is why I failed". But, if you fail at the ex-pats school you understand clearly: "Well, they gave me a chance and I failed".

You are a failure Scott!

[Laalala]

Now things seem clearer, thanks to the help of G.I.Joe, the all american hero.

He has a franchise system, and Smiths has a franchise system.

He is a businessman, and Smiths claims to be the same.

He is attacking Dave Scott or whateverr the real name of Scotty is, and showing the classical signs of web-blog idolatry in the direction of the Smiths camp...

What is Chocolate English and Dave Scotty (or whatever his name is) and Smiths Franchise all have in common?


mmmm....I wonder.....

also no proof yet, as Bearcat says about any postings by Dave Scotty against Chocolate English, though obviously there is by Scotty vs Smiths, though he's pussied out of it now. maybe the 'mafia' again

www.choclateenglish.com
www.e-takethree.comm

[Laalala]

How many franchises are there in Chocalate and Take 3 by the way?

Any why would anyone bother with a school from a foreigner in Japan anyway?

Smiths system is big and famous, as I can see on the net. 50plus schools and big websites and photos.

Chocolate is a cell number, a 5 buck website and the photos of 3 ugly gaijin,

Take 3 has 0 franchises, one ugly photo and no chance!!!


get away from this 'franchising' idea and get real, Scotty, Choco, and Smithh

[G I Joe]

Hey Laalala, you spelled Chocolate incorrectly(tee hee hee). Are you making fun of my nationality? Where are you from? Where is your photo?
You are a failure and you know you always will be!

[bearcat]

Originally Posted by G I Joe

**** you! How is that for substance? Sure I support Smith--in spirit--as a businessman. Dickheads like you are always spouting off about how you got ripped off and how someone else is guilty for your failure. You seem to attack fellow ex-pats with great ease but stay far away from the large Japanese owned Eikaiwas. DO you know why that is? It is because the Japanese owned eikaiwas treat you like shit from day one, and you learn to accept it. But, Smith's gives you a chance and you accept that. So, when you fail at EBB or Bova you say: "well they treated me like shit and didn't give me a chance and that is why I failed". But, if you fail at the ex-pats school you understand clearly: "Well, they gave me a chance and I failed".

You are a failure Scott!

First off, I am not Scott Spargo. gfell, a moderator of this site, can quite easily set your mind at ease over that.

GI Joe, you've made a great deal of assumptions in that little temper tantrum that you've thrown. Im sure the readers can make their own judgements about the quality of person you are in that respect. You certainly haven't conducted yourself in a professional manner that would be expected of an owner of a school.

If there's anything at this point then that I can say without a doubt is that you do have those traits quite easily in common with Mr. Mark Smith.

I asked you to specify things because, you've made sweeping statements with nothing backing them up:

1. You claimed he said lies (note the plural) about you on here.
2. You said he did so on not just this site but on other sites.
3. You claimed that he did so intentionally and imply it was with great malice.
4. You claim he attacked you and has attacked Smith's due to being in competition with you and Smith.
5. You then claim that -if- he's made a false claim against you, that any claims against Smith must be lies as well.

So before I wanted to weigh in about things with Smith and your claims against Scott (note I'm not actually trying to defend Spargo's actions as you'll understand later in this post.. only clear up what I've seen of this whole thing.), I wanted to make sure I had some information from you so that I and others who read this thread can be 100% clear about what transpired, and what is transpiring.

But when asked to clarify, your response came across more like the rant of some one with lack of professionalism and self control. Not what I was expecting but I can work with that....

First of all, I believe you are at least the owner of Chocolate. Even though readers can only confirm that by a cellphone number and a hotmail address that you post on your site, I've been given information (Before you go off on Spargo, no he wasn't the source of that information) that helps give readers more concrete information to seek confirmation of you and your school via the information about your website's registry:

Chocolateenglish.com Chocolate English [2007-03-02]

(By the way, if you're using yahoo webhosting, its strange you'd use hotmail as a contact... at least I'd recommend using yahoo mail. Less technical issues. But that's just a small thing. Let's move on to more serious things.)

So of course by establishing that you are the owner of Chocolate it means I of course believe you not to be Smith. (Your rant was also a dead give away as Smith doesn't usually go off like that except face to face or private. Smith's MO is pathelogical deception.)

But anyway...

Let's look at your claims in order:

#1. You claimed he said lies (note the plural) about you on here.

Some might say, there's no proof of what was said because Spargo deleted it a long while back (by your own admition and proof).

Nope, the good ole web archive known as the Wayback Machine has a record of what was written before it was removed on here:

http://web.archive.org/web/200608252...english-2.html

Im not going to copy past the whole thing in here because it would make this post extremely longer than its going to be (I'm thorough). But let me highlight the gist of it. (Post #18 on the page for reader's reference in the link):

Scott makes the claim that Smith "Fake names and a multitude of links keep getting him the crucial cashflow he wants for his real estate portfolio.."

He then lists the following (please note the text I highlight in red):
__________________________________________________ _____________

JAPAN. REAL ESTATE INVESTMENTS We are a Japan based Investment group providing opportunities to invest in real estate in Japan. We specialize in the purchase, sale andmanagement of small to medium residential real estate projects with a maximum value of no more than US$2,000,000. Contact us today.
EMAIL: advisor@japan-investments.com = Mark Smith
URL: Real Estate Investments in Japan

WEB DESIGN SERVICES Free-lance Web Designer - offers Quality Web Design Services at very LOW Prices. Whether you need a Simple Homepage, High Quality Graphics & Animations, E-commerce website, or you want to change your old website, I can help you achieve the best results at very low cost!Contact me now!
EMAIL: la_borza@plum.plala.or.jp

**10,000 YEN ENGLISH FRANCHISE** Get started right away. Teach where you want, when you want, how you want! Check our Website for details!
URL: Chocolate English 英会話::.神戸・三宮/英会話・フランス語・イタリア語/プライベー&#1

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Notice carefully that he denoted the sites that he considered to be Smith's.

At first and not so careful glance due slightly to much of the ambiguity that scott made with that, it does seem that he's implying all those listed are Smith's. But if so, then why did he only indicate with = Mark Smith to two of them and not the others if that was the case?

Scott just simply screwed up with how he wrote and copy pasted it, from my point of view. Again at first glance I too thought he was saying they were all linked to Smith. But Smith isn't a US based company, or offering webdesign services (He's not that smart :P). Again, Scott just did a bad job of copy pasting in my opinion.

And as the emails he sent you privately prove, he explained that to be the case.

So in summation, how does this one occurence become lies in the plural?

Simple, you exaggerated it for emphasis... much like the little tirade you showed us in your third post here.

I mean, we wouldn't want to consider it to be a fabrication on your part that you said lie(s) right?

Let's move on to #2:

2. You said he did so on not just this site but on other sites.

Well, I can safely say, this isn't true. Not one link past of present can be found to support that claim. And because of that, it additionally lends credence to the claim by scott that the instance I've shown above was indeed a mistake on his part.

That was easy....

Next #3

3. You claimed that he did so intentionally and imply it was with great malice.

Well, so far with the evidence lacking, the emails you so helpfully supplied etc, it would seem that that as well is not true to the readers and myself. In fact so far the only really serious malice seems to becoming from you.

Next....

#4. You claim he attacked you and has attacked Smith's due to being in competition with you and Smith.

If your website is any remote indication, you've not been around for too long (2005).

Myself, Spargo, and others have been exposing Smith for his and his group's shyster activities for much longer. There's reference on the Smithwatch site concerning a thread that used to be on Gaijinpot.com that originally started in 2003 that we both condemned Smith and in which Smith dug his own pit of embarrassment on (Hmm another thing you've in common with em...). Scott's participation though didnt Start until 2004 on the thread though. Did Scott have a school then? No.

Your claims/arguements are just falling to pieces now.

And finally...

#5. You then claim that -if- he's made a false claim against you, that any claims against Smith must be lies as well.

I think I've shown how the above wasn't actually a claim against you or the other advertisements he listed except the ones he denoted as belonging to Smith.

Too many facts are shown concerning Smith and the way he's exploited others and lies he's made. Perhaps in your rash rush to rant, you didn't bother to check?

Well, since you've now made your newest claim to be in such spirited support of Smith, let's remind the readers then of just what you have given support to:

1. You're saying that you align yourself with someone who has resorted to spamming places like a forum for discussions about Karate with his advertisements? (Well over 140 ads)

2. You're saying that you condone that he charges hundreds of thousands of yen for 4 days of training that has no pedegogical value and is not recognized by any reputable organization in Japan (Though he makes a claim like that) or any where else in the world? And you can get truly reputable certification cheaper elsewhere.

3. Yet you're saying that you condone his use of false advertising to claim that his training is free on yet another site?

4. You're saying that you condone his charging over a hundred thousand yen for a curriculum ...when you could buy most of the materials for EFL instruction from OUP or CUP for a fraction of that which are quality materials, professionally produce (not lovingly hand made as Smith says) by notable professionals in the field?

5. You're saying that its ok for him to falsify his CEO and business experience history in order to help convince/influence people to take him legitimately?


And that's just a small sample of things, GI Joe.

You're supporting Smith and his group in such things coupled with the way you've conducted yourself on here I -sure- has not done anything to help you or your endeavors in EFL.

But you seem to want to play the victim and that by virtue of simply being expats that you should be forgiven for your outburst and as well that Smith should be allowed to continue to con and exploit both foreigners and Japanese alike.

I think the readers on here take a different view to that notion.

GI Joe, at this point I really truly think you've just really put your foot in your mouth and don't really consider yourself supporting the likes of Smith. I can't believe that you would be that foolish.

You just instead come across as a hot head who hasn't shown any serious degree of consideration with regard to professionalism that own would expect from someone who is a provider of EFL instruction.

[bearcat]

Originally Posted by Laalala

Smiths system is big and famous, as I can see on the net. 50plus schools and big websites and photos.

Incorrect. Smith has advertised for years that his system has 50+ schools but the reality is that he has NEVER had 50.

Infact for the 2006 year, all franchises he had gained that year went poof. Simply compare the numbers now with the Wayback Machine listing for existing schools from earlier in 2006 and you can see some of them. Its actually not all of them though as he lost more but wayback wont show the others for a bit as there's a 6 month to a year lag on archiving.

Some of the photos on his site are stock pics from software (like his "mascot" girl etc).

And the key word would be infamous.... not famous.